BSG S3 3x01 & 3x02 thoughts...

[samvara]

Well, well, well.

Well.

Loved the Kara thread; thought playing the munchkin was an unbearably apt and cruel thing to do. Am interested in where Leoben gets his hardon for Kara – Stockholm Syndrome? I don’t get the little hand hold at the end – this is not the act of a woman who has killed Leoben five times in a row over four months.

*loved* Sharon and Adama. Loved it.

Not too keen on Lee. He is a deeply moral man and for him to just give up and be someone who can only function when he has a war doesn’t do justice to the person I thought he was.

Love Tigh, he’s hard and obsessed and utterly focussed. I don’t like him as a person but the character is great.

Interested in the Cylon take on what their mission is. It sounds like Boomer and Six managed to pitch the end of immediate hostilities but didn’t in any way manage to convey a vision where humans and Cylons actually talk to each other. The Cylons turned up as an invading force and seem to have no concept of humans as potential equals. In which case what on earth are they trying to achieve?

Is the vision of human/Cylon relations where humans behave like Centurions?

They need Adama desperately.

Feel a lot of the war commentary is a bit on the cheap side. We already know this, guys, we’ve watched the Americans doing it for years. We know people are stupid and pretty and short-sighted and that it doesn’t work.

Loved the Roslyn/Zarek exchange

Comments

[black-samvara.livejournal.com]

I'd like to refine the definitions against a pre-existing list of archetypes because I'm like that. The list I did up there is me knocking them out at work while running Office of Energy Invoice reports and reading the Impromptu Administrator's Guide.

D'Anna Biers - I'm pulling this from having seen has as an investigative journalist (admittedly playing a role) where she was passionate, committed and pushing for truth. As an agent in 'evaluating' Caprica_6 and Galactica_Sharon trying to make sure Cylon isn't 'contaminated' and as a decision maker in the Cylon policy_pool - I'm still trying to get a handle on her in the current role.

Doral - I'm torn. He's softly spoken and all but remember him in the pilot undermining Roslyn? Also what he said to Jammer about the temple massacre was utter, utter crap. The Centurions lost control? What? Centurions? The scenes in the webisodes spoke to me of being profoundly manipulative.

You're dead right about Simon, we just don't have enough to go on. The fact he tried to talk to Starbuck about her father and about her fear of motherhood could have been a form of complex sadism or of a genuine desire to help. Also he's a doctor - because he wants to help people? - because he wants to study them? - because he likes seeing beings in pain?

Six and Sharon need love - yes I think so too but they need it in very different ways. Six is about passionate love between her and Baltar and passionate love between her and God. Sharon is about deep loyalty and shared understanding.

Leoben being patient screams psychopath all the way to me. He's *so* obsessed he can't even being to consider the possibility of his vision being wrong. You just -know- that Starbuck is going to hold him in her arms some time in the future, tell him she loves him and it's going to be hideously wrong and not at all what he expects.

Whee!

I've been kicking around the same idea, I read somewhere that Six was named deliberately but the rest were random and I can't remember if it was a reputable source or not. It works for Biers, Six and Sharon - they seem to be in a empathetic sequence, I'm just not sure where to place the men.

[vegetariansushi.livejournal.com]

Good point about Doral undermining Roslin. I sort of feel like that puts him in Creatorville, though, sowing the seeds of dissent, creating the spirit of resistance, I guess.

I totally agree on Leoben's vision -- it'll come true, but not at all the way that he wants it to. I can only see bad things coming from that particular setup, and I have to admit that I am GLEEFUL about them. Um, because apparently I like to -- yeah, I don't know.

I'm not totally sure where to place the men on the empathetic scale either, but I want it to fit, because it's one of those ideas that just makes me creeped out and happy. I mean, think how good at being human Sharon is -- imagine eleven or twelve. I want the numbers to have some sort of meaning, I can't help it.

[black-samvara.livejournal.com]

You realise I'm going to have to go off and draw up a grid now?

It doesn't follow that Ron Moore is using the same list we've got - they all list positive qualities, I'd like to see the matching 'dark side' with a little more emphasis on obsessive tendencies.

Me too - GLEE!

[vegetariansushi.livejournal.com]

Ooh, yes, grids! do you want me to do one in Photoshop? We can make tickyboxes and everything?

I bet that we could start compiling a list of the darker sides of the archetypes if we wanted to -- some of the positives have a very obvious inverse (take charge attitude = domineering, willing to take risks can become unreasonably risky when there's no need for it...) and there has to be a list of negative archetypal characteristics out there somewhere, doesn't there?

GLEE, yes.

Also, hey, apparently it is irritating to some people that I never post this sort of meta on my own journal, so I may toss some of my comments up there at some point in the next day or two. Would you mind if I summarised some of your comments (or posted them fulltext, if you'd rather) to give context to some of the more wide-ranging ones? I was unaware that anyone was interested in reading this sort of thing, but since I've got BSG meta spread across three journals now (none my own journals, sadly) I guess I should consolidate.

[black-samvara.livejournal.com]

*rofl* This does rather lend itself to some sort of poll / diagrammatic representation doesn't it? Go for it - don't if you need sleep though because I'll probably do some puttering tonight and we might want to get a little bit clearer on our categories before working up something massive.

Link, quote and/or summarise away, I'm all for the sharing.

[vegetariansushi.livejournal.com]

I'm seriously exactly OCD enough to become obsessed with which cylon is which archetype, and then trying to figure out who the corresponding humans would be.

Definitely need to be clearer on our categories, but it can't hurt to start making lists, can it? I'm still chatting with Cath and trying to get some webstuff done, but will probably play with this in my spare time tomorrow. Yay, obsessive meta!