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BSG S3 3x01 & 3x02 thoughts...
Well, well, well.
Well.
Loved the Kara thread; thought playing the munchkin was an unbearably apt and cruel thing to do. Am interested in where Leoben gets his hardon for Kara – Stockholm Syndrome? I don’t get the little hand hold at the end – this is not the act of a woman who has killed Leoben five times in a row over four months.
*loved* Sharon and Adama. Loved it.
Not too keen on Lee. He is a deeply moral man and for him to just give up and be someone who can only function when he has a war doesn’t do justice to the person I thought he was.
Love Tigh, he’s hard and obsessed and utterly focussed. I don’t like him as a person but the character is great.
Interested in the Cylon take on what their mission is. It sounds like Boomer and Six managed to pitch the end of immediate hostilities but didn’t in any way manage to convey a vision where humans and Cylons actually talk to each other. The Cylons turned up as an invading force and seem to have no concept of humans as potential equals. In which case what on earth are they trying to achieve?
Is the vision of human/Cylon relations where humans behave like Centurions?
They need Adama desperately.
Feel a lot of the war commentary is a bit on the cheap side. We already know this, guys, we’ve watched the Americans doing it for years. We know people are stupid and pretty and short-sighted and that it doesn’t work.
Loved the Roslyn/Zarek exchange
Well.
Loved the Kara thread; thought playing the munchkin was an unbearably apt and cruel thing to do. Am interested in where Leoben gets his hardon for Kara – Stockholm Syndrome? I don’t get the little hand hold at the end – this is not the act of a woman who has killed Leoben five times in a row over four months.
*loved* Sharon and Adama. Loved it.
Not too keen on Lee. He is a deeply moral man and for him to just give up and be someone who can only function when he has a war doesn’t do justice to the person I thought he was.
Love Tigh, he’s hard and obsessed and utterly focussed. I don’t like him as a person but the character is great.
Interested in the Cylon take on what their mission is. It sounds like Boomer and Six managed to pitch the end of immediate hostilities but didn’t in any way manage to convey a vision where humans and Cylons actually talk to each other. The Cylons turned up as an invading force and seem to have no concept of humans as potential equals. In which case what on earth are they trying to achieve?
Is the vision of human/Cylon relations where humans behave like Centurions?
They need Adama desperately.
Feel a lot of the war commentary is a bit on the cheap side. We already know this, guys, we’ve watched the Americans doing it for years. We know people are stupid and pretty and short-sighted and that it doesn’t work.
Loved the Roslyn/Zarek exchange
Re: Comments on Comments
On Caprica_6's obsession with Baltar - I haven't seen them interacting with just each other since the Occupation so I've no idea how their current relationship stands. I would like to make a distinction between:
Baltar and Caprica_6
Baltar and Avatar Caprica_6
Baltar and Downloaded Caprica_6
I think they all have very different relationships.
Baltar and Caprica_6is now over two years old and was based on passionate physical love and a growing realisation on her part that she meant it, with all her heart. It was also based on lies.
Baltar and Avatar Caprica_6 was and still is an intensely passionate relationship between Baltar and a woman who knows no fear or doubt and is utterly committed to her vision of her God. She pushed Baltar every second they were together and also kept him sane and helped him survive. She wasn't trying to pretend he was someone she idealised, she knew who he was and what he was like.
Baltar and Downloaded Caprica_6: I've no idea where they stand with each other. The observation so far has only been in formal settings where she hasn't been all that personal and neither was he. Yes, she's trying to protect him.
I think Baltar's heart was broken when Pegasus_6 killed herself and the fact they've been relating to Avatars for a long time has got to get in the way of who they actually are relating to every time they talk. Both of them have changed enormously in the last couple of years.
And now I will stop and let you breath, apologies for obsessed and lengthy responses if you're now freaking out.
Re: Baltar/Six
The Six Models.
Is not Caprica6 and Downloaded6 one in the same? That is to say the Six in the miniseries is the same 6 that downloaded in "Downloaded" Omg, I'm dizzy! Thus this is the same 6 he also visualizes in his head. How is it that as soon as Caprica6 shows up the 6 in his head goes away but when she is killed she is there in a flash? Are they not the same on some level.
Baltar loved Gina, Pegasus6, because of Caprica/Avatar6. I can't really explain that one, at the moment. My brain is still spinning trying to manage the number of 6's in my head. LOL
Re: Baltar/Six
My thoughts on the Six Models...
I'm making this distinction because of the sheer freakin' complexity of their non-linear relationship.
Baltar and Caprica_6 were together on Caprica for an unspecified period of time during which she was a Cylon agent. He thought she was a fabulous lay and she was falling in love with him.
Baltar and Avatar_6. Firstly I have no idea what Avatar_6 actually is. We’ve established she isn’t a chip, that she comes and goes and that she has knowledge that is not available to Baltar’s subconscious (the Cylon device in Galactica and the baby). To me this points to some sort of spirit/avatar – possibly created during the blast on Caprica. I’d also happily go for her being a Cylon God spirit guide that –happens- to look like her. Hell, I’ll go for any whacky theory about now.
They have been together since the attack on Caprica. She is NOT Caprica_6 despite being pretty darn close in personality. For one thing, she doesn’t develop, Baltar is growing and changing all over the place but Avatar_6 remains firms on all counts.
Yes it was interesting that Avatar_6 turned up the moment Downloaded_6 was shot. However, I’m not convinced that Avatar_6’s appearances are conditional on other 6 models not being there in person. He asked Avatar_6 to go away for a while when Pegasus_6 was around and she did. I don’t know if she, Baltar, or some other factor controls it.
Baltar and Downloaded_6 have been apart since Caprica_6 died on Caprica. Yes she is the same woman who died in the blast but she is also a woman who has had a profound realisation about her mission. She has also been relating to Avatar_Baltar whose smooth confidence is nothing like the Baltar we’ve grown to know and pity.
There appears to be no continuity of consciousness between Avatar Caprica_6 and Downloaded_6 as witnessed by her waking up believing Baltar was dead.
This invariably leaves me speculating on what/how Cylon consciousness works and how come they share some memories but not others.
Six Management
I dunno and for right now, that works for me! LOL
Please keep making the distinctions cos God knows I *can't.*
There appears to be no continuity of consciousness between Avatar Caprica_6 and Downloaded_6 as witnessed by her waking up believing Baltar was dead.
It seems I need to revisit Downloaded again. The attack was meant to wipe out humanity. I would assume she'd think he was dead since the majority of humans were killed. By the same token, did Sharon know Adama was alive or not when she downloaded? There's all sorts of holes in the downloading I don't get. Like part of the connection is lost during the process.
This invariably leaves me speculating on what/how Cylon consciousness works and how come they share some memories but not others.
I'd say each of them has a core memory which then becomes individualized as the particular model experiences life. I believe all the 6 models feel love for Gaius to varying degrees but it is based on their experience with him. I suppose Caprica 6 is the QUeen Bee over the other 6 models.
I'm bathering again..LOL
Re: Six Management
I make the distinction between Caprica_6 and Downloaded_6 because Downloaded_6 had Avatar_Baltar - not to be confused with the real thing - and due to life experience is a different, older person.
As for poor Baltar, it's been literally YEARS since Baltar has seen her and he's been having a passionate relationship with Avatar_6 and trying to have one with Pegasus_6 in between.
Re: Downloading
Galactica_Sharon was shot in Resistance - Adama was still in a coma at this point. She didn't know.
Re: Comments on Comments
Have we seen Avatar Caprica_6 and Downloaded Caprica_6 in proximity?
It seemed to me, that we only saw Avatar C6 after downloaded C6 was shot.
Re: Comments on Comments
I think it quite significant that we didn't see Avatar C6 until Downloaded C6 had left the building.
We also haven't heard anything more about Downloaded C6's Baltar Avatar.
I wonder if the Baltar Avatar will be present after another download or not.
Re: C6 vs DC6 vs AC6
I want more data on D6 and what happened to Avatar_Baltar.
I want more data on Baltar and what happens to Avatar_C6.
I do think the avatars are more than subconscious manifestations, I base this solely on there being two of them (repeatable) and AC6 knowing about the baby before they knew about Caprica_Sharon being pregnant (access to knowledge).
I also agree they haven't appeared simultaneously with their live counterparts.
Re: C6 vs DC6 vs AC6
Or not.
Anyhow, here's the next question ...
Have we seen AC6 since DC6 appeared in S02E18?
ie, was AC6 in 19 & 20?
Or was the first we saw of AC6 since then after DC6 was shot?
prk.
Re: C6 vs DC6 vs AC6
I don't think Cylon to Cylon mental links are in evidence. I mean this in both a spiritual and technical sense. There appears to be no continuity of knowledge between models other than the initial 'stamp' (mental) and they are indistinguishable from humans and therefore can't update each other via info-dumps (technical).
I do think there is a possible mental link between Baltar and C6.
When AC6 first appeared we were all confused, was she a chip or was she a manifestation of Baltar's conscience?
Baltar getting a scan and confirming there was no chip put an end to the first theory.
AC6 predicting the birth a Cylon/Human child; knowledge that Baltar has no access to; says to me that she is a little more than Baltar's subconscious.
Theory: AC6 is C6/DC6 having an out of body experience while waiting to be downloaded and for some reason C6/DC6 doesn't recall a damn thing when she is 'alive'.
This would explain:
· Why AC6 is only seen when C6/DC6 is 'dead'.
· How AC6 can know things that Baltar does not.
It does not explain:
· Why Avatar_Baltar exists.
· Why AC6 has such a different personality to DC6